Tuesday, October 20, 2009

Breakfast Club Discussion



The Breakfast Club takes place at an Illinois high school, where five dissimilar students are sentenced to spend a Saturday detention session together. In attendance is a "princess" (Ringwald), an "athlete" (Estevez), a "brain" (Hall), a "criminal" (Nelson), and a "basket case" (Sheedy). These titles identify the roles the students play during the school week. Because of stereotypes and status levels associated with each role, the students want nothing to do with each other at the outset of the session. However, when confronted by the authoritarian detention teacher (Gleason) and by eight hours of time to kill, the students begin to interact. Through self-disclosure they learn that they are more similar than different. Each wrestles with self-acceptance; each longs for parental approval; each fights against peer pressure. They break through the role barriers and gain greater understanding and acceptance of each other and of themselves. They ultimately develop a group identity and dub themselves, "The Breakfast Club."



1. Discuss the group's developmental stages.


The developmental stages of forming, storming, norming, and performing can be seen in the movie. The group is formed because each student has broken the school rules; they are together because they are all serving detention (except for Allison, who at day's end admits she is there because she had nothing better to do). During the storming stage, both types of social tension are exhibited. Primary tension can be seen in Claire's statement that she doesn't "belong here." It is also evident when Brian gives up his seat to Bender and in Allison's nail biting. Examples of secondary tension include Bender's antagonistic exchanges with Claire, the shouting matches between Bender and Andrew, and Allison's strange outburst during Claire's disclosure about her parents.


Mr. Vernon attempts to set explicit norms by stating that there is to be no talking, no moving, and no monkey business. However, this attempt to establish norms is unsuccessful because the norms are not accepted by the group. Implicit norms develop in the group, such as yelling, questioning, disrespect for authority, and, most notably, self-disclosure. Many of these norms are initiated by Bender, which points to his power, status, and leadership in the group.


Regarding performing, the group ultimately accomplishes its explicit task--writing a detention essay--by assigning it to Brian. The group also has a number of less-explicit goals that it achieves. The most obvious is that they successfully kill eight hours of detention with a minimum of boredom. They perform many of the functions of an encounter group, learning about themselves and each other through intimate self-disclosures. They also band together in a variety of rebellious acts, from roaming the halls to smoking pot. All of these acts suggest a level of "groupness" that develops in a few short hours.


2. What factors contribute to the group's cohesiveness?


The first factor leading to the group's cohesiveness is the amount of time and interaction they have with each other. While time alone does not insure the development of cohesiveness, the group has nothing else to do and plenty of opportunity to talk. After weathering some primary and secondary tension, the group starts to congeal when it identifies a mutual enemy: Mr. Vernon. An early indicator of group identity emerges in Bender's use of "we" as he asks, "Why don't we close that door? We can't have any party with Vernon checking us out." They begin to perform as a group after Bender removes the screw from the door leading to Vernon's office. The other students cover for him when Vernon comes back asking, "How did that door get shut?"


Cohesion is further developed through self-disclosure. Bender gets Claire to self-disclose about her feelings toward her parents. Andrew then turns and asks Bender to tell about his parents. This discussion is critical to the development of cohesion because the group members begin to see the similarity of their struggles and they identify with each other. Later, the group pressures Claire to confess her virginity. An embarrassed Claire calls Allison "bizarre" for lying to force the confession. Andrew replies, "We are all pretty bizarre. Some of us are better at hiding it, that's all." This marks another point of similarity: they all protect their self-concepts by putting on faces in line with the expectations that others have for them. Andrew describes his struggle to live up to his father's athletic expectations and Bender tells of his father's abuse. Thus, two very different characters find common ground, typified by Bender's comment to Andrew: "I think my dad and your dad ought to get together and go bowling."


As they band together to fight against mutual enemies--parents, peer pressure, authority figures, stereotypes, boredom--the Breakfast Club develops into a highly cohesive group.

What stages have you seen your group go through? How do you see your group developing group-cohesiveness? How have you found self-disclosure has helped your group bond? What about the class as a whole? Answer the questions above for this as well. List examples.

31 comments:

  1. wow ali! thanks for sharing your story! It is nice to know what the signs and symptoms are. And to be aware in our own lives and to watch for the symptoms in our freinds. Its nice to know that its ok to worry but that there are places to go if it becomes a problem!

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  2. Hello Class,

    I know that we have not yet finished the movie and we will do so next week but please try your best to answer the questions I have for you. Remember what you put into these discussions is what you will get out of them. I appreciate your insightful and thoughtful comments. I hope you find that by blogging we are connecting and building a stronger classroom community.

    Best!
    Monica

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  3. our group has gone through all of the stages briefly. forming, storming, norming, and performing. we formed as a group when you made the groups. we all got together in the classroom. in the storming stage, we had some tension when we all tried to get together to watch the football game and not everyone was there. norming would be like the rules we set for our group, and for performance, we completed our first group project. our group-cohesiveness is always forming. for the rest of the semester, we will be working together, and this time will help the cohesiveness. Self-disclosure also helps, when we all have not the same idea, but relatively close to the same. The class as a whole is starting to form as a group as well. When we played the games with Ali, that brought us all together. For the Breakfast Club, their group forms because they are all forced to be there. In time though they realize that they have similarities and by the end of the movie they become good friends. I'm not really sure if this is what you wanted us to write it seems like a lot, but here it is.
    -Cassandra

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  4. when our griup was first formed i believe that would have to be the forming. The storming took place when we set up our first meeting, and it got cancelled. That has been our only minor set back so far. The norms of course would be our group rules such as, walways attend group meeting unless you have a conflict of interst, or attend class so you know what's going on. Then for the performance we completed our first project, and we'll base our performance on our grade.
    As the year goes on we will be becoming mre and more cohesive. The more time we spend together, the more we'll learn about each other, and the closer we'll become. Self-disclosure does help to improve and strengthen cohesion. We are all different, but its our differences that will make our group stronger.
    The class is getting way better too. When we first came in to the class no one knoew each other, and for the most part we were quiet and shy. Now we are all comforable, and social, and we know each other. The more time we spend together the closer we become. By the end of the year I'm sure we will all be very close.
    That's my thoughts on how the movie relates to us.

    Joe V

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  5. Both our group and class has in a way gone through all the stages. Obviously both groups were formed, the class on the first day of school and our group as soon as the groups were assigned. Our group's storming stage is still kind of going on since we don't really know each other yet. Our first meeting was cancelled at the last minute which probably created some minor tension at that time but that has passed. I think our class made it through the storming stage pretty quickly. Knowing that we would be together for the rest of the year forced us to just accept each other. Norms were established for both the class and our group when we were given and made rules. We are also becoming cohesive both in class and in our group because we have been thrown together for a common purpose. We have that "Hey we're in the same class/group!" bond, and are slowly becoming more comfortable with one another. We are finding similarities and connections between everyone even though we are all very different and like the movie, we will probably all leave class as friends.
    ~Katie

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  6. For my group we have obviously undergone the forming stage by being put into groups and meeting in class. We have also met a few times out of class which has created the storming stage. We have not really had too much tension in our group tho because we have set rules and expectation and treat everyone with respect. The norms for our group have kind of taken place because we have set common goals and normal meeting place, etc. For the performing stage we have completed our first task and got through it with little problems! As for our class, we have gone through the forming stage which started on the first day of class. For the storming stage I am not really sure if we have gone through this except for within our groups within the class. For our norms I think we just kind of have accepted eachother because we know we need to get through the class and want to learn about our classmates. I think we have gone through the performing stage somewhat becuase we have broken into our groups and have completed a few tasks already. I think this will only improve as the year goes on!

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  7. I agree with joe that as we are in our groups we will learn more about eachother. Right now I feel like I know my group members, but I know there is more I can learn about them to make our group project and communication more successful. Through our applying theory to practice prjects I think we will learn more about eachother too!

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  8. Our group has done very well! But when we first formed as a group, we were a little quiet, but after we burst the tenison bubble, evething was fine. We all agreed on what our rules should be. Our frist group acyivivty went very well! We all showed up on time for hte volleyball game. Then when we got together for the paper part, everyone contributed with there opinions. Even though Matt is the only boy in our group, everyone gets a long, its like we've known each other for a long time :) So overall our group is very cohesive. I thought our class as a whole is also bery cohesive. There are some voices that are quieter then others but as time progresses, we will all be more cohesive.
    As for the movie the Breakfast club, they were forced to be there. none of them got along right away. But each perosn was thinking since they were going to be in there for eight hours, they might as well be friends for the time being. After that tension was broke, they became more cohesive by finding similatities.
    Connie A :)

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  9. I agree with what cassie said about our class became closer by playing the games with Ali that one day! We were jsut releaxed and having fun!!! We should do that once a month for part of a class! So we are learning both about communicating effectivly in small groups and learning about each individual in our class :)
    Connie A :)

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  10. my group has gone through all the stages somewhat. At first when we all meet it was quiet and no one really talked but after we got to know each other more we opened up. Also we have been performing well together so far into the year. The storming part is all of our ideas some similar together. The norm woulod be the rules we came up with as a group with our different ideas. My groups cohesiveness will come as we become a stronger group and work more together in the year. The self disclosure would have to be that we all have learned to listen to each others idea and take them into account nd this will also buil throughout the year. I feel that the whole class has become more of a team because at first it was just like the group where we were quite and didn't want to talk but now everyone is open and more willing to work. Just like the activity we did with Ali.
    Sammi K

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  11. I agree with joe v with the group thing cause that is how my group was and with the class how it will come along as the year goes. Also if we spend more time with the group it will work out in the end. All the stuff will come as we work more together during the year.
    Sammi K

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  12. I think our group has gone through all the steps. We started out kind of unsure of each other and quiet. once we had our own meeting outside of the classroom and got to talk more we opened up and learned about everyone as an individual. our storming stage was when we were supposed to meet at a certain time and some were late but we got over it once everyone was there. The norm stage is coming to a conclusion on all the rules we made through the different ideas that we put together. The self disclosure comes in when we call listen to everyones ideas and put them into account so we hear the different thoughts that everyone has. The class as a whole I think is also becoming more comfortable with each other and personally I find it more enjoyable to sit there because it is not as awkward like the first day when no one would say anything.
    Sara

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  13. The start of this class has been very interesting and in these last couple weeks of meeting with my group, we have gone through some issues but have worked them out just fine. I think my group is doing fine and will become a great group for this year. we've had some problems with meeting each other at times but that is natural. One group member has had problems in her family and that was completely understandable and we worked around it. We're starting to get to know each other a little better, but not to the point of the people in the movie. The point in this movie I think is that no matter how different we are in our groups, we all share similarities. As time goes by we will continue to share similarties in our group and I think that will let us become a great group. In the class I feel way more comfortable then the first day of class because we're becoming more familiar with it and I think everyone is becoming somewhat more comfortable in class. The movie kind of represents a class and I think that our class will become closer by the end of the year and will be like the group in the movie and will improve to good group cohessiveness.
    -Jeff

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  14. I agree with Sammi and Joe above. I think most of our groups are going through the same stuff and that we'll all become better groups by the end of the year as well with our class. I think its just a matter of a time thing that will help our groups

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  15. When we first were put into the groups we are in now, that was forming. The only minor thing that was storming was when we changed the meeeting date and time kind of at the last minute but everyone was okay with it. The norming all we did was put together some simple rules that will help us succeed as a group throughout the year. Our performing i thought was really good. We completed our first project together. When this all first started and got into groups i think we were all a little shy and didnt know how to go about things, but as it goes on everything is going to get better. our group's cohesivness will keep getting better thoughout the year. I think we will learn more about each other. Connecting with cohesivness is self-disclosure. We are going to learn each others weaknesses and strenghs as being a group member and it will help out the group. Our class as a whole i think has gone through the stages. I think we were all shy at first but as we keep meeting we open up and share thoughts and everyone seems to get along. I feel alot more comfortable than the first day of school. In the movie, they were forced to to be in a room together and they all thought they were nothing alike and were all different but as they were forced to be there for 8 hours they discovered the similarities in each other and it brought them together.

    -Theresa

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  16. Joe is right on as the year goes on, the more we will learn about each other. I think a lot of us has said that but its true. In our groups and as a class everything will keep getting better and we will understand each other more. As for what sammi and cassandra said about how ali brought everyone together and played games, i think that would help. I'm sad i had to miss that, but i bet it was a lot of fun to all work together!

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  17. For the question about our groups going through the stages, i believe we have experienced all of them to some extent. Forming obviously happened when we were told our groups and we got together for the first time. Storming came into play when we were discussing who could do what for our project, and again when we were trying to get everyone together for the football game as Cassandra said. i believe that the norming for our group was us creating our rules and goals for the semester. i think our norms are considered expectations almost, not just ground rules. just like the Breakfast Club's example of performing, ours was finishing our paper. ours wasnt an essay on who we are, but it was our paper describing the group that we watched. as for the class in this way, i believe that right now we are becoming a closer group. now that we are a couple weeks into the year, we are starting to get a feel for who are the talkers in the class, and who like to listen to the discussion more. as we go on we will get even more used to each other and feel more comfortable to be ourselves. i think this will cause more and more discussion throughout the entire class. and as for the actual breakfast club examples, i want to watch the whole movie before i give examples of how they bond. i havent seen the entire movie before and they are just starting to bond when we left off. so i will finish this post when we get to the end of the movie
    Jake

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  18. i agree with Sammi about the games we played helping us as a class. i think it got us closer and also we started to build a trust for eachother while having fun at the same time.
    Jake

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  19. i agree with theresa when she says that as a class as time goes by we will all open up more. i feel a little more comfortable than i did in the beginning :)
    -cassandra

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  20. I believe my group went through all five stages. We were formed by being put into group and perform assigments togather. The storming happend when we try to get togather for the first time outside of the class. My group normed when we start to work togather to reach the same goal. We began to have questions like if we are going the work right, is that what is expected from us and ect. When it came to performing, I think my roup did pretty good. We try to follow the rules in order to accomplish the same goal and help each other to succeed. i can see my group develops groups cohesiviness all the time. The more we will work togather the stronger it will become.The more we work togather and communicate the better we will know each other. I found that self disclosure help my group to become more bound. Every time we get togather in small group, I learn something about each of my team members. And I hope it is like that for everyone. As for a class i believe that at the end of the tear we will be a true team. I am sure we will be surprised how far we got as a team and class. The games that we play and different group discusions helped us to be more closer and come togather as a class.

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  21. Katie-
    I agree with what you are saying about knowing that we would be together for the rest of the year forced us to just accept each other.This is very true. And also I think it become more not force but want to know each other.

    Maria

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  22. I think everybody makes a valid point in someway or another. All groups are developing and becoming more cohesive, the class is getting stronger as the years go on. We will continue to improve on all the issues and continue to get better. I think everybody had a good blog this week. Go team!
    Joe V

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  23. I believe my group has gone through all the stages in some form or another. We formed through a random name drawing process. Storming process occured when we asked eachother questions about one another and worked on group activities. The norming process came from the teachers instructions on what we can and cannot do as well as the rules we made for each other through out are group discussions and projects. Performing took place during our first project which entailed us looking over a group of some king and watching how they communicated and worked together as a whole. We all had to set goals for our group as well as assign each one of us with jobs we had to do in our groups. We applied what we learned in class into our project and also learned more and more about eachother. I feel that our group has developed good group-cohesiveness throughout us meeting each other. We learned a lot about each other by asking questions as well as working on our first project together. we helper one another and through that we saw how much we related.Self-disclosure has been a major key in getting to become familiar with one another in our groups.Disclosing information about yourself to others is how other people get to know you and then they will disclose things to you which initiates conversation and starts a group relationship with one another. Our class as a whole has gone through all these things as well. we have done class activities such as the human knot. It involved the whole class working together to solve the problem and through that we learned things about each other like names, where we were from and what things we liked. We disclosed information about ourselves in class and used group cohesiveness to strengthen the bonds we have. Our class has also gone through all the stages i think. We formed through signing up for the class for college. We stormed by talking about how working well in groups pertains to everyone, not just a few people. We went through the norming stage by the rules the teacher set in class. Lastly, we went through the performing stage by doing tasks in class and communicating with eachother about topics like The yellow dress, etc. We learned a lot about each other just like the people in the movie.

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  24. I agree with sara (picksomethingcrazy) haha In my group we were shy and quiet and unsure what to talk about until we finally started opening up to one another and sharing information which in the long run made our first group project a lot easier to do.

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  25. Our group has gone through all of the stages to a certain extent, but because we have gone through the stages we have gotten a lot closer and more comfortable with each other. We were randomly put together as a group, had to figure out what each person's strengths and weaknesses were, and had to find a way to communicate effectively to everyone in the group. By randomly assigning us groups it gave us the chance to get to know people better and learn what our group members can "bring to the table". We are all different, just like the characters in the breakfast club. However, we might not be as extreme as some of the characters, we all have different traits that contribute to effective group work. Our group has yet to get into an altrication because we all will listen to what one another have to say and then pick what the best way will be without putting a member down for their idea. We are becoming more cohesive in the fact that we are not shy around each other and we are not afraid to say what we are thinking because we know that the other members will atleast consider our thoughts. We work well together and I am glad we got randomly assigned.

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  26. I agree with Dan. Although he wrote a novel for his blog, he hit everything right on the head. I'm in Dan's group and I agree that our group was shy and didn't know what to say at first, but now that we have gotten to know each other we have all became a lot closer. We are all comfortable with eachother and it makes our group work so much easier.

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  27. I think the group i'm has gone through all of the stages in one way or another. By placing us in random groups we were forced to learn each others strengths and weaknesses. We had to find a wasy that works with our group, which may not work for any other groups because no one is the same or work effectively in the same situations. Our groups only major problem has been when we first tried to meet and there was a break in commuication so some of our members were left up in the air. That was not good, but we got it figured out so now we are working effectively in our group. I think that now that we have had a chance to work with each other, that we are becoming more open and relaxed around each other. It's nice not having to worry about not working well together anymore because we have already worked as a group and we know we can work through the bumps in the road.

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  28. I liked how Katie put it, we are forced to work together for the rest of the year so we just have to accept it and move on. I also think by working in groups will bring our class together and we will grow stronger as a whole.
    Sarah A

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  29. I think it was really cool how we were put into groups that hadn't been planned out. It was really cool to work through things and find out what works best for the whole group. Just like Sarah said. I think that the team that I am a part of is really becoming more of a single unit. As the year goes on I think we will learn how to wrok even better together.

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  30. I think the group that I'm in is becoming more of a single unit. We did have ne incident where their was a communication breakdown. But I think we learned from that.

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  31. The forming as many have said was when we were divided into groups and then met each other. The storming was showing our strengths and weaknesses when we talked about what we were going to do to observe our group such as transportation and writing of the paper. Our norms also happened in those moments as we decided rules and guidelines for everybody to complete our task. Our group is growing stronger each time we meet and get a better understanding of each other. Our self-disclosures helped us to realized that we are similar. As a whole class we are getting closer together through multiple discussion and activities like the human-knot.

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